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Through the smoky miasma, thick and smelling of conflict and heat and pressure, on the other side is a forest. This one is less garish, less saturated than the rest of Tír na nÓg. Two fae creatures, odd feathered humanoids that resemble crows with cracked and broken beaks, sit at the rocks around a steaming hot spring, soap and strigils beside them.

The fae are seemingly mute, but won't allow Achilles to leave without a thorough wash. The sort that practically scrapes a whole layer of skin off, the sort where they insist on his hair to be cleaned and his nail beds scrubbed. His white tunic is whisked off to be burned, and only once he is deemed fit by the fae attendants to be properly cleaned of the remnants of the Morrígan does one bring the clothes he left behind with Hermes. They're neatly folded, but Hermes' scarf sits on top like a nest, holding Achilles' ring, his bracelet, and the stone with a hole in the middle. The scarf smells distinctly of Hermes, like cleverness and courage and Greece. Almost like Hermes is trying to give Achilles his blessing and support, even when they can't see each other before his trial.

After he's clean and dressed, the bath attendants point in the direction he's meant to walk, a plunge into the dark woods. There's the soft giggling of children within.

In the woods, children from all across time and the world huddle together. A boy holds a fist of straws, and each of the children draw a straw at once. They mumble amongst themselves, checking the straws, and three boys have the shortest one.

"Seems unfair to make him convince Stab," says a girl with messy red braids and two missing teeth.

"If you want a mulligan, you gotta give up treats until the next hunt," a blond boy with gray eyes and a short straw says, waving it in her face. She wrinkles her nose.

"I didn't say I want a mulligan!"

"Then shoo!"

As Achilles approaches, the children with longer straws scatter into the woods, some laughing. Three boys remain. One boy, with pale skin, ragged dirty blond hair and crooked teeth, wearing an oversized sweater and shorts and no shoes and a canvas bag big enough on him to almost drag on the ground. A second boy, skin dark as jet and head shaved, a pair of binoculars dangling from his neck, wearing loose sweatpants and an old linen button-down with sneakers with a check drawn on. A third boy, the smallest of them, maybe close to Lyra's age, looking like one of the people from the far east but with a permanent glower in his face, sitting on the ground and looking a little like he's drowning in the adult-sized jacket draped around him.

The blond boy jumps up on a tree stump to greet Achilles at eye level, putting his hands on his hips and smirking. "Hello, grownup! Here starts your trials! I call being the judge."

"Don't be silly. It's not a court trial." The boy in the button down approaches, holding an aluminum can colored bright red. He pops the tab, a sickly sweet smell rising in the air as the liquid inside hisses, and he holds the can out to Achilles. "My dad said men welcome each other with a beer, but if you get to Birdy she's going to make you drink a lot, so here's a coke instead."

The boy in the button down strategically stands between Achilles and the smallest boy. The smallest boy makes no movement to greet Achilles, instead staying on the ground, glowering at him with dark eyes.

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Birdy roars a laugh as Achilles wobbles. She slams her hands on the table loudly, standing up herself. She's not steady, but clearly, she has much more experience with this level of unsteady and is still very comfortable with it.

"If it makes you feel better, you kept up just as good as Lamb did," Birdy says. "And then he had a terrible hangover and said no wonder all my men died, they must have been blind from drink."

She roars another laugh, grinning. "That's when I knew I liked him."

Honey rises from the table, smiling as she gestures Achilles through a door. She stays close to his side, juuuuust in case he needs a little steadying. "Birdy, dear, would you please clear the table?"

Through the door is a hallway, and down the hallway is a bedroom. It's much more luxurious than the sleeping quarters of old--the bed is raised off the ground with a mattress, multiple down pillows, and layers of linen from a thin sheet to a thick blanket. It's just as inviting as the rest of the house, glowing just as much with Honey's memory and spirit of hospitality. There's a window of glass, and outside there are blurs and smears of the dark forest that exists beyond their memories--but Honey draws the curtains to cover them, and dim the light.

"I'll bring a glass of water and a small pill for you. The pill is a little white capsule as long as a knuckle, and if you swallow it with water, it will prevent a headache when you wake up," Honey says.

Just when he thinks his pride is wounded, Achilles is comforted to hear he performed as well as Pyrrhus in this masochistic ritual. Still, he knows his manners, and thanks Birdy for the honor before following Honey to the guest room.

“As men create more powerful weapons, it seems the drink is made to match,” he muses. It’s meant to be a joke, but there’s probably some truth to it. More horrors call for a more potent escape. Would that he could ask Dionysus exactly how many amphorae of wine were drunk during the Greeks’ decade at Troy.

“Thank you, Miss Honey, for your hospitality.” Achilles gently takes her hand. “Not only for my benefit, but for Lamb and the lads like him.”

Hermes’ scarf drifts, buoyant, with the bow of his head. “It’s a fine expression of the human goodness that Hermes revealed. Your enemies could not take that from you.”

Honey pauses when he takes her hand, turning to face him. Her eyes soften, and she squeezes his hand. "Thank you for saying so. The final thing the enemy would take from us if able was our personhood. I've seen the ghosts of those who went to their camps, and they have numbers tattooed on their arms, because that was the only identification the guards would use."

Her voice is a little dull as she describes it, her eyes distant. It's difficult to talk about while still being fully present in the moment.

"It was important to me that I die as myself."

She shakes her head to bring her back to the present moment. Her eyes linger on the scarf as it floats around Achilles' neck.

"When I prayed, I prayed to all the gods. But I thought that if anyone would answer, it would be Hermes." She makes eye contact, and gives a small, weak smile. "I thought Athena would be more interested in generals, Ares in soldiers, and Apollo in medics. From the stories, Hermes seemed like the only one who might grant a woman of no importance the means to sabotage her enemy."

It had been a desperate act, praying to gods that she'd only heard about in stories. Especially knowing how capricious they were said to be. But if Hermes was her benefactor, she'd gladly worship him the rest of her days.

“You were right. Hermes would gladly lend you the inspiration and strength.” Achilles wants to believe that he survived the divine upheaval into Honey’s time. Of the gods, Hermes is a survivor.

“I should tell you …” Achilles’ lips part and he hesitates a moment. He feels like he owes Honey the truth after the kindness she’s showed him and Pyrrhus. “Lamb isn’t my only child. Perhaps her story—or her parentage—didn’t survive through the ages, but I have a daughter as well.”

Given that his love for Pat is such an affront, Lyra’s origins would be intolerable to modern men. Achilles hates to think that everyone he loves is purged from the songs.

“I hope— No, I know she will grow to be like you and Miss Birdy.” Maybe more like Honey, if he’s being honest, but Birdy has her own rough charm. “Fearless and kind.”

Honey's eyebrows rise in surprise. Then her gaze warms.

"Thank you," she says, squeezing his hand. "The stories of you that survived to my time didn't have any mention of a daughter. But that doesn't mean her story didn't survive. Over time and translations, details get mixed up."

Maybe she would be described as the daughter of a great king, or lumped in with Zeus' children, or blended with another woman of legend as people assumed they were the same person.

"What is her name? What's she like? Maybe she appeared in other stories."

Achilles remembers the power of names in this realm, and rather than say it aloud, he takes Honey’s palm and traces the letters as he knows them: λύρα. Her name immediately reminds him of how much he misses her.

His smile is a little wistful. “She’s confident, clever, loving, and more terrifyingly insightful than any child I’ve ever met.”

That’s probably easy to dismiss as a proud father singing his daughter’s praises, but his smile twists into something more wry as he adds, “Stubborn, too.”

He releases Honey’s hand. “Lady Medea is responsible for her tutelage. She must learn to protect herself—her beauty will draw men’s attention and her boldness will provoke their ire.”

It takes Honey a moment of frowning, concentrating on the letters he traces into her hand. She sounds them out under her breath. Lyra. Yes, she's pretty sure that's 'Lyra.'

She listens intently to Achilles. Terrifyingly insightful. That's an interesting detail, as is her being tutored by Medea.

Honey hums softly, rubbing her chin. "There's a constellation of stars that Greeks after your time called 'Lyra.' It's meant to be a literal lyre, and in legends it's treated as a symbol of inspiration and creativity. It's commonly associated with the stories of Orpheus and of Hermes. But what makes the constellation particularly interesting is that many contemporary and subsequent cultures around the world saw it as a lyre or harp, even if the country didn't have a strong tradition of string instruments at the time. And if it wasn't a lyre, it was a bird."

She starts counting off on her fingers, her eyes fixing on the ceiling as she digs through her memory. This isn't her area of expertise, but Honey had always loved devouring dusty books.

"One of multiple 'endings' for Medea's story is that she wen to Persia, where the people named themselves after her. Persia also calls the constellation the 'Lyre of Zurah', which is a unisex name that refers to a few legendary warriors and poets and means 'splendor' or 'shining beauty'. And closer to Ireland, it's called 'King Arthur's Harp.' It's associated with a legendary king, and with a powerful shapeshifting witch who saved his life. Far to the east of Ireland and Greece in a place called China, the constellation is divided into three quadrants of stars--the water-clock terrace, the imperial passageway, and the weaving girl, and a star in the weaving girl quadrant is called 'Descendant of a god'."

She glances at Achilles. "Does any of that sound like it might be relevant to your daughter?"

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“A few details ring true,” Achilles admits, his tone cagey out of habit. But he’s already revealed Lyra’s existence, and Honey has reached out for Hermes’ aid … Perhaps she can be trusted with the full truth.

“Lyra is a descendant of a god.” That could mean Thetis, or even Zeus—through his father’s line—but her divine blood is more immediate. “And she’s aptly named for her father’s invention.”

He knows it won’t be hard for Honey to make the connection, after the scarf … and knowing what she does about the gods of Greece. Achilles’ eyes are still pointedly focused downward. Honey was inspired by his love for Patroclus; admitting he also loves Hermes—enough that he has a child with him—feels like a betrayal.

Honey's brow raises in surprise. "How fascinating."

She can see that he seems ashamed, though she's unsure why. All the stories that have survived from Mycenaean Greece gives her the strong impression that monogamy wasn't really an expectation for men, no matter how it upset partners. Why would Achilles, who had multiple lovers depending on the source, be any different? Especially considering the stories give a strong impression that one doesn't just say no to a god's advances.

(Maybe that's why he looks so uncomfortable. It'd be unkind for Honey to ask if Achilles really wanted to be with a god.)

Similarly, considering some of the stories from that time, she doesn't have trouble believing that two men had a child together, so long as one was a god.

"I'm surprised Hesiod didn't mention it. He wrote the largest surviving work about the genealogy of gods and heroes long after your time, with details about each of their lovers and children." She crosses her arms, frowning in thought. "Though now come to think of it, he didn't write any details about Hermes' children or lovers, just his own parents and how he was born. I suppose Hermes wasn't as public about that sort of thing as other gods."

“He’s not like his father. Hermes is very particular about his lovers and children.” Achilles leaves it at that; he shouldn’t divulge Hermes’ familial pain to a random mortal, no matter how kind. “Our daughter was … unexpected, to say the least.”

He rubs his jaw and his face draws into a wince. “I kept her from Lamb for a time, but I should have known better. He’d only just found out about his sister when the Morrígan took him.”

His hand moves to cup the back of his neck and he shakes his head, disappointed in himself. “The lad felt betrayed. As he should.”

"Oh, I see."

Honey sits on the edge of the bed, folding her hands in her lap and looking at Achilles with singular attention. Her eyes are kind, but curious.

"Why?" Her brow creases a moment. "And how? I thought you died when Lamb was a boy. What influence did you have over your daughter? The stories don't make gods sound like involved parents."

She can believe a god creating a child with a dead man--it's not any weirder than stories of golden showers or swans or bulls--but it does beg the question of how Achilles would have had any say in Lyra's upbringing. And surely, it wasn't Hermes raising her. The stories make it sound like the gods barely raise their immortal children, much less the mortal ones. Most fathers would care very much about who their child spends time with, but she isn't sure how similar gods are to human fathers.

(Maybe Achilles appeared in someone's dream to tell them to raise her? She's pretty sure that's the only way the stories described dead people influencing the living.)

“Shades can be summoned by rituals. We walk among the living during Anthesteria, or travel through dreams. This is how I visit my children.” He also enjoys more leniency than most shades, as a trusted servant of the Underworld, a hero of legend, and a psychopomp’s lover.

With that last in mind, Achilles is quick to defend Hermes’ parenthood with the conviction of a caring partner—if Honey still doubts the reciprocity of the relationship. “Hermes performs many vital duties, but he loves his daughter. He makes time for her. In fact, he arranged Lady Medea’s guardianship.”

He takes a long inhale, a slow exhale. “As to why I kept Lamb from his sister—I didn’t fully trust him. For years, I heard the tales of his brutality at Troy. Only recently did I learn why that was and how he suffered in my absence.”

Her brow creases in confusion. "You didn't know why? Did he not tell you, or you not--oh."

She stops short a moment. Ah. Achilles hadn't known or trusted Lamb because he hadn't spoken to him. If her impression of the timeline is correct, he hadn't made contact at all until after Lyra was born and he had a relationship with her.

Oh. No wonder Lamb felt betrayed.

Honey grimaces for a moment before adjusting her skirt. Her eyes soften as she looks down at her hands on her lap.

"...The queen said he was the first of us to survive to adulthood. Any children at war prior died in their conflict." She's quiet for a moment, but clearly thinking hard. Her brow has the slightest fold in it, like she thinks so often that not even being in the blossom of youth could keep her skin smooth.

"The ones who survive are the hardest for others to understand." Honey clasps her hands. "I don't think there would have been a place for me in the world if I survived the war. No one would have known what to do with me. Feel sorry for the girl who lost her family, or hate the one who condemned thousands of men and their families to a torturous death, and who isn't sorry she did it? Or, hardest of all, try to treat her like any other person?"

She sighs through her nose. "It was the same with Miss Ember. The first time she killed someone, she was four years old. Like many soldiers that young, her first kill was her own family, so there could be no one to run back to, no family who would risk taking her in, and motive to find some way to believe it was the right thing to do when she grew up. She grew into an adult that can never fit in peaceful society." Honey looks at nothing in particular, but she reaches out and gently takes Achilles' hand. "She knows how people see her. Just as Lamb does. Just as I do, and Birdy, and everyone else here."

Honey shakes her head, closing her eyes. "And you didn't even have the benefit of history to look at. Lamb was the first. How could you have ever understood?"

There’s sad truth in what Honey says; were she to fight that way in his time, she would be reviled as a witch. The only way to participate in war correctly is as a grown man wielding a weapon with no hint of cowardice.

Women and children are the collateral—meant to accept the consequences without complaint.

“It should have been obvious to me regardless—a son needs his father. If not to show him how to fight, then to show him he’s loved.” Observing Zagreus and Hades made that abundantly clear; a boy needs a father’s approval.

Achilles runs his thumb over Honey’s soft knuckles as he considers what she says. “Miss Ember is very like Lamb, then. I can see why she would protect him, and why he would feel safe.”

With a careful tug, he coaxes her up from the bed. “I should sleep, Miss Honey. I have much to discuss with her.”

Honey rises from the bed and bows her head. "Sleep tight. I'll bring in the water and pill just in case you need it, and we'll all be here when you wake."

And she does exactly as she says. After bringing in a glass of water and a pill, she closes his door and leaves him in the dark. Distantly, there's the indistinct sound of her and Birdy talking in the kitchen. Eventually, there's the sound of Liz, and Gavroche, and Scout. There are other voices, all of them young, and always with a cheerful air. There's the odd laughter of children, and the sound of music distantly upstairs.

No one will bother Achilles, no matter how long he sleeps. Time doesn't mean much here, after all. But there's still a palpable sense of the house welcoming him like a hug, ready to hold him until he wishes to move on.

If he gets up and goes back to the kitchen, he'll see all the boys sitting at the table, crumbs from a meal in front of all their places (save for Scout, who's cleaned up after himself), and Birdy is playfully roughhousing with Gavroche while Honey takes away the dishes.

If Achilles sleeps for twenty minutes or twenty hours, he can’t tell the difference. All he knows is that he dreams of witches with birds’ wings flying silently at night over boys drinking bottles of fizzy drinks and smoking little paper sticks around Greek camp fires. Blessedly benign given all that was discussed—perhaps thanks to the house’s warm embrace.

He wakes with only the ragged edges of a headache in his temples. Thank the Fates. It could have been much worse.

After straightening the linens on the guest bed, Achilles finds his way back to the kitchen. He lingers in the hall, given pause by a pang of sadness; he’s grown fond of this place during his short visit and he’ll never see Honey, Birdy, and the lads again after this trial is complete.

And … while Achilles still has every hope to return Pyrrhus to Greece, if he fails, this isn’t the worst place for his son.

“Ah! It seems I’ve slept through dinner.” He steps into the bustling kitchen. For all the house’s comforts, Achilles gets the distinct feeling that most of their time is spent here.

"Dinner, breakfast, lunch, it's all the same difference," Birdy says, smirking in greeting over her shoulder at Achilles. Currently, she's hanging a giggling Gavroche upside-down by his ankles.

"Scout saved some for you and packed it in a travel container," Honey chirps, looking at Scout with a smile. Scout's cheeks darken, and he mumbles something about not wanting him to be hungry later. "Roasted chicken with wild rice-stuffed butternut squash. I'm pretty sure most of the ingredients weren't available in your time and place, so I hope you like it."

Scout pulls small package wrapped in bumblebee-decorated cloth from the counter. It covers a hard plastic container with a full meal inside. "There's a metal fork in there," he mumbles as he offers it to Achilles. "It's hard to eat without it."

Stab sits at the table. He's not hiding in his coat anymore, but his chin lies cushioned on his hands, eyes following Achilles warily.

“True enough for those like us,” Achilles agrees with Birdy. It’s not as if any of them have to eat at all, but food is still an important ritual to him. The same appears true for Honey and her odd little family.

“Thank you, Miss Honey. And thank you for thinking of me, lad.” He smiles and accepts Scout’s package with two hands. Once again, he’s reminded of Patroclus’ modest kindness.

His focus gingerly shifts to Stab. He gives the boy a nod in acknowledgement, but otherwise spares him from too much unwanted adult attention. Achilles glances at each of the others in turn—Gavroche, Birdy, Honey, Scout—before he continues.

“I suppose this is where we part ways.” His throat bobs in a hard swallow. “If, after all of this, Lamb decides to stay … Please. Take care of him.”

Honey smiles warmly. "Of course we will."

Gavroche squirms from Birdy's grip, landing gracelessly on the floor before sitting up and saluting Achilles with a grin. Birdy gestures towards the door. "But maybe hold your horses for the tearful goodbyes. You'll need to take someone with you."

Scout, already anticipating the question, opens the front door for Achilles to see. A wave of humidity blows in, thick and smelling of vegetation entirely foreign to Greece. Where the great city once was, there now is a rainforest, trees and branches so thick that an adult can't walk two steps without contorting themselves to climb around all the vegetation... or cutting it as they walk.

"I can come with you," Scout says simply. He goes to the umbrella stand, and he draws a machete from it with an expert air before offering it to Achilles. "I'm small enough that I can scout ahead and direct the path."

"Miss Ember usually leaves a path to find her," Honey says, sighing at the door. "But I think she wants you to work for it. You'll have to cut the path yourself."

Achilles wraps his boxed lunch in a fold of his tunic and takes the offered blade. A bit shorter than he’s accustomed with only the one edge, but it has the heft to do the job.

He gives them all a grateful bow as he steps out the door. “I trust Scout to live up to his name.”

The forest outside brings to mind the sort of overgrowth where Elysium is determined to block a shade’s (or a prince’s) path. Instead of Elysium, though, he has Ember’s will to contend with.

“Lead the way, lad.” He waits for Scout to find the trail before he begins clearing his path behind. His hero’s strength makes short work of all but the absolute thickest of branches. If anything, the machete is the limiting factor; it’s liable to break if he doesn’t wield it with some care.

"Goodbye! Good luck!"

Everyone (save for Stab) says goodbye to him at the door, smiling and waving. Stab stays in the back, just watching him. It's hard to read his face.

Scout lives diligently up to his namesake. His feet are nimble and quick, easily slipping past the thick vegetation and coiling branches. There are a few times he pauses, gesturing for Achilles to stop before scrambling up one of the impossibly tall trees, peeking through the canopy before sliding back down and leading him on again.

The land has an oppressive quality to it. When looking backwards, it's easy to not even see the cut path anymore, so thick the leaves and ferns. Looking forward, one can't really see more than a couple feet ahead. Sounds of strange animals echo in the humid air such it's difficult to point to where they came from. It's like the land itself is some kind of snare that is ready to swallow a person whole.

"Miss Ember says this is the kind of place she grew up," Scout says after a while of tireless leading. "She told us if we ever get lost somewhere like this, to find a river and walk with the current. But I don't think she's letting you have any rivers."

The trek is on an upward slope. It's like the land itself is trying to wear them down, stretching longer and longer and steeper and steeper. Scout has to pause more often, flagging, but he refuses to stop and rest.

And then, almost all at once, the forest releases them.

They're at the top of a mountain, surveying endless rolling mountains of forest and water. On the edges of the horizon, the land shifts like rippling ocean waves, changing and flickering into different shapes. Sometimes the changes dare to lap across the edges of the rainforest, but it's quick to reassert itself, strong as a cliff face against the tide.

At the peak of this mountain, there is a singular house. A palatial size for a single person, with thick white-washed walls and terracotta roof tiles. For those in the know, it'd be considered to be built in a Spanish Colonial style, with two stories and a big patio and balcony with ornamental columns that can't possibly be holding up much of anything.

Scout pauses, taking a deep breath and mopping his brow, though he's too dead to sweat. The habit remains after a long exertion, however. "That's where Miss Ember stays."

The combination of oppressive humidity, elevation gain, and marathon bushwhacking is enough to tire even a demigod’s shade. Achilles is concerned about his guide; he urges Scout to pause and rest, but finds his suggestions ignored. The boys clearly don’t appreciate being ordered around by adults, so he lets it be.

When they finally reach the peak, Achilles heaves a relieved exhale. He stabs the machete into the dirt and massages the heel of his hand. Were he not dead, his palm would be covered in burning blisters.

“Styx. I’d be wandering that forest for centuries without your help. Thank you, lad.” Achilles moves to clap a grateful hand on Scout’s shoulder, but remembers Stab’s violent response to touch. He stops mid-motion and withdraws the gesture. “Will you head back now?”

Scout notices the motion towards him, but doesn't comment when Achilles withdraws. Instead, he just slumps on the ground, leaning back on his palms. For all he insisted on moving, he's exhausted.

"Maybe. I think I'll wait a bit and decide."

He takes a deep breath and sighs, staring up at the house. "Before you go in, you should know that Miss Ember has a lot of faeries that serve her. She baits them into a wager for her name, and then she tricks them into giving her theirs. Then she sets most of them on patrols to keep unwanted people out of our space."

He points to a window besides the door. If one takes a moment to squint, it's clear there's a dark silhouette staring back out at them.

"She usually keeps a Bodach for protection and a pixie for service in the house. The Bodach is big and scary, and the pixie can do a lot of weird magic. But neither of them can hurt you if Miss Ember doesn't tell them to. Even if they really want to."

Achilles mulls over that information and eyes the threatening figure in the window. It feels a bit like he’s on the brink of heading into a proper battle.

Best be prepared, he thinks, and takes the opportunity to settle into a seat next to Scout. Achilles may not have another quiet moment to enjoy the food he was given, and the trek up the mountain certainly worked up what passes for an appetite.

“Will Miss Ember punish you for guiding me?” he asks as he pops open the container and examines the provided fork; he’s never used one, but it’s fairly self-explanatory. “I’m sure she set this challenge to test my resolve, not yours.”

"Punish me? No," Scout shakes his head, knocking his feet together. "She'd just say I did good guiding. She's never really bothered how people beat whatever test she's set up. If you beat the test, then you're strong, and if you outsmart it, then you're wily. Or if someone offers to help, it's because you're good enough with people that someone thinks you deserve it."

Scout shrugs, looking out at the rolling mountains contemplatively. "Dad always said that stuff like... you know, honor and integrity matter. But Dad was a liar, or he'd have acted different. Miss Ember says that it only matters if people thinking good of you is more important than what you're fighting for."

Scout looks at Achilles. Despite their proximity to the house and the looming dangers within, he still seems at ease. "She's like that. Practical. She says that the weak have to be practical to survive. That's why she survived, and people like me and Gav didn't." Which could come across as cool, but Scout states it as a neutral fact without judgment. Likely because it was communicated to him as a neutral fact without judgment.

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